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Full Tilt Million Dollar Cash Game S05 Ep 01
De Rotsman
#2 Posted : 1/17/2011 12:41:35 PM(UTC)
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Man, I'm only a half hour in, but already Williamson is making some dumb as donkey hell analysis. "I'm surprised that Dwan didn't reraise that river there!" Are you serious? I'm not a great poker player myself but that would be pretty damn retarded.

Great show by the way! ...except for Williamson.
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#3 Posted : 1/17/2011 1:27:40 PM(UTC)
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I agree, Williamson mentions a few hands that Durrr could beat but none of those make sense to reraise with on the river. If he had top pair or top two those no reason to reraise at all. He really has to hope that Antonius is speeding.

I knew that Matusow was a bad cash game player before but I never realized how truly God awful he is. That QQ hand was so bad.
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#4 Posted : 1/17/2011 2:35:16 PM(UTC)
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Did i get that right?
Ferguson stacked the fish and ran? LOL, nice.
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#5 Posted : 1/17/2011 3:51:54 PM(UTC)
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Of course Dwan should raise the river... Antonius has only $30000 left in front of him and the only hand that Dwan can realistically be afraid of is JJ... and Antonius does that with such a wide range of hands as bluffs and for value. If they're playing deeper then he should just be flatting... but if he feels he has the best hand... which he clearly does, since he snap-calls, then he may as well try and get Antonius's last $30000 as well, since Patrick can never fold any marginal strength hands considering how much he's put in.
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#6 Posted : 1/17/2011 3:53:38 PM(UTC)
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And Matusow is kind of unlucky in that QQ hand... Like he said... Jetten's raise is ridiculous... trying to squeeze against the tightest player on the table's UTG raise.... When Chris flats, it looks like AK, JJ or TT... and although Mike doesn't have to SHOVE there... it's kind of silly... I certainly wouldn't blame him for raising...
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#7 Posted : 1/17/2011 5:28:19 PM(UTC)
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Just because he snap calls doesn't mean he's certain that he has the right hand. He's getting around 2:5 on his money and he's clearly good that much of the time so he can't fold. Patrick will show up with the full house enough that you aren't getting money out of raising the last 30k though.

Matusow's QQ play was horrid for two reasons. First, the flat call was insanely bad. Against a rock, why not 3bet/fold? Is he set mining with his QQ? He's inviting other players to come in behind him and beat his QQ. The flop has to come exactly Qxx completely dry for him to make any money and even then he'll make exactly 1 bet against a large field. Any other board gets him in trouble. I can call with any two cards hoping for miracles like that.

Then there's the 4bet shove. Chris is in a great position to flat call with AA after the large squeeze, he wants to get the money in no matter what comes on the flop really. Jetton has just squeezed 5 players including the rock who open raised, he's clearly representing a monster that has Mike beat. Jetton will have Mike beat even more often than Chris does there.
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#9 Posted : 1/17/2011 5:49:03 PM(UTC)
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Hard to listen to these commentators. Why are they always crawling so much? "The Master Phil Ivey" etc. etc. even after the most standard plays
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#10 Posted : 1/17/2011 8:38:10 PM(UTC)
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First Williamsson is annyoing as hell hes just way to overexicted about everything WOW Ivey got a 7 high flushdraw and gutshot i can never see him get away from this
Only a fish would say something retarded as that.
Why the hell do they bring in this guy to commentate at all??
2nd Durr could of pushed but it was OBVIOUS he did not no if he had the best hand cause if Antonius had a full house on turn or got there on the riv he would prob play the hand the exact same way, so again he wasnt at all sure like someone suggested here AND with good reason.
3rd Matusow is so terribly bad hes so far behind anyone at the table hes just waiiting for the nuts and overplays them so bad cause hes so afraid of getting sucked out on he obvious doesnt have the bankroll to keep playing these high stakes cause he plays with scared money always.
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Full Tilt Million Dollar Cash Game S05 Ep 01.Texas No limit Cash game $300-$600-$100 ante Buy-in $100k.Fulltilt Pro Phil Ivey, Tom"durrrr" Dwan, Chris"jesus" Ferguson,Peter Jetten,Patrik Antonius,Justin Smith and Ilari "Zigmund" Sahamies.
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J Okvist wrote:
First Williamsson is annyoing as hell hes just way to overexicted about everything WOW Ivey got a 7 high flushdraw and gutshot i can never see him get away from this
Only a fish would say something retarded as that.
Why the hell do they bring in this guy to commentate at all??
2nd Durr could of pushed but it was OBVIOUS he did not no if he had the best hand cause if Antonius had a full house on turn or got there on the riv he would prob play the hand the exact same way, so again he wasnt at all sure like someone suggested here AND with good reason.
3rd Matusow is so terribly bad hes so far behind anyone at the table hes just waiiting for the nuts and overplays them so bad cause hes so afraid of getting sucked out on he obvious doesnt have the bankroll to keep playing these high stakes cause he plays with scared money always.
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I don't know if a 'thanks" is sufficient for this, so I just quote u and state that I underline everything u have written. But anyway. I just love the fact there's a new mseason outthere. Just what u are waiting for when Bi ggame takes a break and High stakes season 6(was it 6 or 7? :D) is still to come.
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Windtell wrote:
Patrick will show up with the full house enough that you aren't getting money out of raising the last 30k though.


Disagree. The only full house that Antonius has in his range is JJ. He definately bets KK or 10-10 on the turn. And just because he 3-bets pre-flop, doesn't mean that hands like Q-9 and K-J are out of his range... Both of which I think he raises for value on the river. There are therefore more combinations of hands that don't have Dwan beat on the river than do have him beat... and since he NEVER folds those two hands since he only has 30k left... it's mathmatically correct to shove.

If he has a deeper stack... then obviously Q-9 and K-J do fold to a raise... so therefore there's no value in raising since he'd only call with a full house. But with the stacks shallow... this is definately a value-shove in my opinion. Just because you don't have the nuts, doesn't mean you shouldn't get value from it.

It kind of reminds me of a hand I played in the casino the other day (Blinds .50 and £1)... I raise UTG+1 with 7-8 of spades and get a caller from the BB, who is a relatively bad player with about £60 in front of him. Flop comes 6s-10c-2h. I get checked to... and continuation bet... which he then calls. Turn is the Jh, giving me the nuts. He checks and then I check behind. I'm not really sure why I chose to check behind, but there was good reason for it at the time. River is the 10h, completing a backdoor flush and pairing the board. The Villian bets £18, which was pretty much the pot, leaving himself £30 or so behind. I shoved. He snapped with A-10... I win a nice pot. A much nicer pot than if I'd just flat-called the river.

It's a very different spot, I grant you. But the basic idea is the same. Villain shows up with a lone ten here so much more often than a full house or a flush... yet a few people at the table were surprised that I didn't just flat call.
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#12 Posted : 1/18/2011 9:04:07 AM(UTC)
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I still disagree. I have no idea why you're taking KK and TT out of his range and saying that he won't bet those hands on the turn. If he flopped a set and filled up on the turn there are some very compelling reasons to check. AJ, AQ, and QJ are now drawing dead but will pay you off if they hit and fold to a bet on the turn. Personally, I'd check and pray for an A or 9 on the river or for my opponent to hit a hand to pay my monster off. I consider shutting out an opponent out here to be a large mistake.

I think Dwan has three very good pieces of information that Antonius has a full house. The preflop 3bet, the turn check, and the river reraise. Adding all that up, a full house is easily his most likely hand. I also agree that trying to stack a fish who's been nothing but passive is a different spot.
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Randalph: Thanks :) yeah its good they started again with these TV-events

JayJsmith: your hand is completely different imo where if id check the turn too i would definetely push the riv any day of the week.
But the more i think about it makes more and more sense for Durr to just call in his hand it was a big reraise too i think from 23 to 93 on the riv.
Theres only 1 hand Antonius would reraise that doesnt have Durr beat and that is Q 9, K J and K 10 would never reraise there and definetely
never in hell that much :)
And like Windtell says i have no idea why your taking some of his full houses out of the picture that makes absoluteley NO sense at all.
combat88
#14 Posted : 1/18/2011 6:29:06 PM(UTC)
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Williamsson is annyoing as hell Cursing
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really looking forward to this... prob greatest lineup ever for a NLHE cash game
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#16 Posted : 1/18/2011 7:54:06 PM(UTC)
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williamson such a tool: ..."with two pair hes is not gonna get antonius out..." lol
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