Daniel Negreanuâs $8.7million Rollercoaster
6 years ago31 Dec
Winning $2,792,104 in a single year must surely make even a high roller a tidy profit you would think, but Daniel Negreanu has just released some amazing figures for his own 12 months of grinding the biggest events â and it makes for amazing reading, the Canadian poker star stating:
ââŚthe truth is, if a player plays the full high roller schedule and cashes for $2 million, they are all but certain to have had a losing year, and thatâs before expenses.â
Itâs a question which has beguiled fans of the game for a long time â just how much are the best pros actually walking away with, given their often huge buy-ins to events such as the Super High Roller Bowl ($300,000) and for example next yearâs $1million entry One Drop at the WSOP?
Negreanuâs numbers reveal all â his 5 year total profit amounting to a massive $8.7million or so, but when broken down revealing just how tough the nosebleed live tournament circuit is.
Losing it in 2017
âI felt like I had a decent year in terms of resultsâ, says the face of PokerStars, âbut when you break down the numbers into an actual profit vs loss, I essentially broke even!â
Buy Ins | $2,874,164 |
Payouts | $2,792,104 |
Profit | -$86,140 |
Although he readily admits that most pros wonât have all their own action, Daniel says that doesnât change the fact that being a profitable player is a harder task than most might imagine, his predictions for next year coming to a mind-blowing $5million in buy-ins aloneâŚ
âWith the $1 million buy in One Drop coming back this year, and the Super High Roller Bowl, and countless high rollers held here in Vegas and across the globe, it wonât be much of a stretch to see players spending upwards of $5 million in buy ins. $5 million dollars. Just in buy ins,â says Negreanu.
Last summer saw Negreanu forking out $1million or so for his much-hyped WSOP scheduleâŚ
âŚalthough he ended up losing about $300k on the trip, despite a lot of cashes.
Selling it in 2018
Although he claims âI do stake myself in these eventsâ and has sponsorship deals (most notably with PokerStars) which one would think takes care of the jet-setting lifestyle of the games âwinningestâ tournament pro, even Negreanu will be looking to offset some of that $1million One Drop entry fee next summer.
As he states on his Full Contact Poker blog:
ââŚI will likely be selling action into the One Drop as it just seems like a bit of a crazy amount of money to risk in one tournament. Iâll likely sell about 50% of the action and I donât charge mark up.â
With lifetime tournament earnings of $35,319,814 since his first recorded cash back in 1997 (a $1050 payday!) thereâs no denying that Negreanu has made an absolute mint at the game, but his revelations are incredibly interesting because a glance at Hendon Mob earnings donât tell us the whole story â far from it in fact â as we canât see how much players bought in for when they didnât cash, and that amounts to a lot of money!
Crushing it in 2013 and 2014
For example, Negreanu only started keeping detailed records in 2013, so letâs look at how he performedâŚ
Events | 66 |
Cashes | 13 |
ITM % | 19.7 |
Buy Ins | $1,211,883 |
Payouts | $3,203,423 |
Profit | $1,963,500 |
Avg Buy In | $18,363 |
Hourly Rate | $3200 |
Thatâs 53 events without a cash â by his own average about $1million in buy-ins with no reward, unsustainable if he didnât hit it big from time to time, such as in the following year as he pointed out on TwitterâŚ
That second spot behind Daniel Colman for $8,288,001 accounts for a massive chunk of his 5-year profit â itâs a long-run game indeed, although without it a $300K year poker job sounds pretty decent too!
Negreanu has come in for a lot of stick because of his PokerStars work over the last few years, but there were many Twitter users ready to forgive some of that, not least because few if any poker pros would be quite as forthcoming when it comes to the financial side of being a pro â and as a world-famous, indeed legend, of the gameâŚ
So, as Negreanu says at the outset:
âIn the old days, before super high rollers, you could all but guarantee that cashing for $2 million would mean the player had a winning year. Well, the truth is, if a player plays the full high roller schedule and cashes for $2 million, they are all but certain to have had a losing year, and thatâs before expenses.â
Although one question which might be interesting to have an answer to popped upâŚ
Anyway, remember the next time you gasp in awe at the $million stars of the game â be careful what you wish for!
Negreanuâs 5-year total
Events | 291 |
Cashes | 68 |
ITM % | 23.4 |
Buy Ins | $10,329,453 |
Payouts | $19,062,527 |
Profit | $8,733,074 |
Avg Buy In | $35,496 |
Hourly Rate (2565hrs) | $3405 |
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